What if reality TV dating shows were not just about drama, but actually had a deeper meaning? What if they could actually teach us about human behaviour, relationships, and even ourselves? If you're nodding your head right now, this episode is for you. We've watched, we've laughed, and now we're ready to dissect two of our favorite reality TV dating shows - Golden Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise. From the charming and genuine Gerry from Golden Bachelor to the power dynamics and drama in Bachelor in Paradise, our conversations will make you see these shows in a whole new light. We even touch upon a Star Wars character, proving that you truly can find love in the most unlikely places.
Get ready for a roller-coaster ride as we discuss Theresa's hilarious hair moment with the wind, the sweet unchoreographed flash mob, and the irony of the not-so-real waitress. We also dive into the subtle details that make Golden Bachelor more about finding a true companion than providing just mere entertainment. On the other hand, we explore the shallow approach taken by some characters in Bachelor in Paradise and what it reveals about modern dating culture. Add in a dash of fashion commentary with Brayden's unique rubber ducky earrings, and you've got yourself an entertaining but insightful discussion.
But that's not all. We also reflect on Hannah Brown's time on The Bachelorette, the tension caused by the 'truth bonfire', and discuss the complexities of relationships formed on the shows. From Will's reaction to Kylee and Aven's relationship to the power dynamics at play, we tackle it all. And, of course, we can't forget about Gerry, our beloved Golden Bachelor, and his authentic approach to finding love. So, come join us on this wild ride through the unpredictable world of reality TV dating shows. Trust us, you will never see these shows the same way again.
Find us on Instagram @mostdramaticpodcastyet
What if reality TV dating shows were not just about drama, but actually had a deeper meaning? What if they could actually teach us about human behaviour, relationships, and even ourselves? If you're nodding your head right now, this episode is for you. We've watched, we've laughed, and now we're ready to dissect two of our favorite reality TV dating shows - Golden Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise. From the charming and genuine Gerry from Golden Bachelor to the power dynamics and drama in Bachelor in Paradise, our conversations will make you see these shows in a whole new light. We even touch upon a Star Wars character, proving that you truly can find love in the most unlikely places.
Get ready for a roller-coaster ride as we discuss Theresa's hilarious hair moment with the wind, the sweet unchoreographed flash mob, and the irony of the not-so-real waitress. We also dive into the subtle details that make Golden Bachelor more about finding a true companion than providing just mere entertainment. On the other hand, we explore the shallow approach taken by some characters in Bachelor in Paradise and what it reveals about modern dating culture. Add in a dash of fashion commentary with Brayden's unique rubber ducky earrings, and you've got yourself an entertaining but insightful discussion.
But that's not all. We also reflect on Hannah Brown's time on The Bachelorette, the tension caused by the 'truth bonfire', and discuss the complexities of relationships formed on the shows. From Will's reaction to Kylee and Aven's relationship to the power dynamics at play, we tackle it all. And, of course, we can't forget about Gerry, our beloved Golden Bachelor, and his authentic approach to finding love. So, come join us on this wild ride through the unpredictable world of reality TV dating shows. Trust us, you will never see these shows the same way again.
Find us on Instagram @mostdramaticpodcastyet
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Christel Bartelse:The most dramatic podcast. Hello and welcome. Welcome to the most dramatic podcast yet. I am one of your hosts, Christel Bartelse i, along with my good friend, Paul Constable.
Paul Constable:She's doing this like shoulder thing, but you can't see it. But it's amazing.
Christel Bartelse:I just yeah, I think the shoulder shimmy works with the introduction.
Paul Constable:It's, I want to say sultry, is that okay?
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, you can say sultry.
Paul Constable:Is this a result of your only fans account? Just going through the roof and now you're just sultry crystal.
Christel Bartelse:You know what? I'm embarrassed to say that even after we had lots of discussions about only fans, I still haven't opened up an account.
Paul Constable:But I've done some. I've done a little bit of research into that and I it might not be what you think it is, or maybe it's exactly what you think it is.
Christel Bartelse:Oh, I know what it is. But I also have heard or know people going back to this whole conversation, people that do things that aren't even that bad and make tons of money Like they show their feet, or that's why I was saying I think I could come up with something clever, which the clown theme was really.
Paul Constable:Yeah, yo, you know what I there's gotta be? Am I allowed to say clown fetish, is that? Is that offensive?
Christel Bartelse:No, I'm not offended by that. I think it would be just an experiment If I could do. I don't still want to open up a whole account and try it and then someone realizes it's me or whatever, but I think if I did it as an experiment, just to see, kept it open for a week or two. But I also know I have to interact with people. Is my understanding live and I'm not interested unless I'm wearing a mask?
Paul Constable:Yeah, that would be interesting and we should get off this story. Bachelor fans. But the only thing I can say that sort of the latest Star Wars thing that came out, there's a woman that's green in it, like she's got green makeup, and I thought she was cute, you know. And then when I saw her in real life without the green makeup, I'm actually more attracted to her in the green makeup and I'm like now I get Captain Kirk, now I get why he went for the aliens.
Christel Bartelse:I was going to say you've got a whole another round of issues going on, let's jump in. Or I don't see color, maybe there we go, there we go, right as per usual, we're going to talk a little bit about Gary and Golden Bachelor and then we're getting to the hot and heavy stuff with Bachelor in Paradise, starting off Golden Bachelor. We're at episode two. Paul, I got to tell you I'm loving Gary.
Paul Constable:I actually kind of really love Gary too. I my overall feeling on this show versus like Bachelor in Paradise. If we were just to be succinct about it. Which we're trying to be is Golden Bachelor is about everyone looking for green flags. Like he seems like such a nice person. They even support each other as women. She seems so nice, she's great at this, he's great at that, whereas then you put on Bachelor in Paradise and it's all just red flags. He's so into himself, she's so into herself. They didn't talk to me, they kissed someone else, and I'm like you. The funny thing for me is, as I'm reaching my Golden Bachelor years and very much leaving those Bachelor in Paradise years in the past, I still kind of get it, because when you're 20, you have this whole thing ahead of you that you're not going to be able to get. You have this whole thing ahead of you that you don't fully understand, and when you get older, you just see the bigger picture and the smaller things do matter. You know, like just being a nice person.
Christel Bartelse:Absolutely and I also think the differences. For the most part, all of the women on Gary season Golden Bachelor are looking even just for companionship.
Paul Constable:Yeah for sure. Yeah, it's not about I mean we're jumping around, but it's. It's really says about Avin in Bachelor in Paradise after their one date. I just want to lie next to him for the rest of my life and I'm like you don't know that you've went on a boat and drank champagne. You don't know that, whereas the women see the simpler side of things and how Gary acts in simpler settings, like driving down the road no, no headlights working on like three ways.
Christel Bartelse:And I just want to add to that, because that was pretty mean that they made Gary do that. But we start with Teresa getting the one on one. And Teresa has just turned 70. It was her birthday, so she gets the one on one. And I just want to talk about my favorite moment with this whole Teresa thing. Well, I'm going to, I'm just going to back up and give a little history in case you missed it. But she, she had been married since she was 18. Yeah, and tragically also lost her husband. So I think she spent about eight years alone.
Paul Constable:Yeah, I think so I don't have. Yeah, but she's been, she's a widow, you know yeah.
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, but I really like her. She's very sweet. But I just want to say my favorite moment of this is that she spent so much time getting her hair done and then immediately got picked up in the convertible, which was just ridiculous, Because her hair was blowing in every which way direction by the time she arrived at the diner. It was just a disaster.
Paul Constable:It was. It was, but she's still. I mean, I think for me. I always just say it works out in the end. You look fine.
Christel Bartelse:I think.
Paul Constable:for me, what I like about Golden Bachelor is these are dates that I can see myself on. I would drive a convertible to a diner. I wouldn't want to get like in a all terrain vehicle to go skydiving and scare the crap out of myself Like I'm like the diner's fine.
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, the diner was a nice touch, and I actually just want to say and clarify something. I know that Teresa had just had a birthday, but I believe it was Gary's birthday when he picks up Teresa.
Paul Constable:I think you're right.
Christel Bartelse:I think it was because they went and had the. They went and had the cupcake or the milkshake or something like that. That's right.
Paul Constable:I just don't know how much journey got paid for. Don't Stop Believing Like they. They're cranking that one out.
Christel Bartelse:Oh well, isn't that kind of like the theme song of the season, like they just keep breaking it out, and also when they're at the diner? It was just I can't remember the exact line, but it was just so planned, because Gary was just over and over going you just got to believe, you just want to believe. And it was almost like he was queuing the dancers of the flash mob, as if, like, they didn't hear him the first time and he's just going louder and louder, like hey, that's your cue.
Paul Constable:Can we talk about that flash mom?
Christel Bartelse:Yes, can we go back one more time to the to Gary having to drive on the highway.
Paul Constable:Yes.
Christel Bartelse:I was just wondering did no producer or tow truck or mechanic go? Hey, this is the lead of our season. He's about to get killed on the freeway. Can we do something?
Paul Constable:And he was calmed by Teresa reaching out and touching his arm. But you know, what would have caught me more is a car that works on a freeway and I'm 70 years old and it's you know it was. It was so weird that they even left it in because it's like they're filming and filming.
Christel Bartelse:Well, there's nothing wrong with stopping, and then you know, waiting a day and they have to go get the car fixed or another vehicle.
Paul Constable:Like a truck blows by him and honks its horn pretty aggressively at him, like I'm trying not to kill you.
Christel Bartelse:No, don't stop believing, you know it's really sweet, though, that Teresa did put her hand on his arm and, to your point, paul, this was such a simple gesture, but it meant so much to Gary, and I think that's talking about right like that. It's a simple things, and then they're just really warmed by that.
Paul Constable:And they also even on this date, or this date and then future group date with Gary is that he said he doesn't just immediately say this woman is it? You know he's like. I really liked that feeling it really does say. It reminded me of my wife and the comfort she used to bring to me, and that's why I can see myself perhaps pursuing this relationship Versus Bachelor in Paradise, where it's just like you're in or you're out and there's no in between. It's just like that's it. No, okay, done.
Christel Bartelse:Totally, totally, yeah. Okay, let's go back to the flash mob now.
Paul Constable:Yeah, you're all laughing. I think I could have choreographed a better flash mob than this one. It was the only thing that kind of ticked me off. At first, did you notice, the waitress seemed kind of like didn't want to really want to do her job when she first came by the table. And then later on I went oh, she's not even a real. She probably is a real waitress, that's the irony, but she wasn't a waitress at that diner.
Christel Bartelse:No, none of them actually worked there, but I felt what was weird is that Gary was totally in on it. That was the vibe I was getting, which is why he was kind of uncomfortable Almost, like he kept looking for a sign that was gonna start. That's what I'm coming back to. He just kept chanting.
Paul Constable:It's like the worst. You know, when they wire a guy, you know and it's he's like safe word if he's gonna die is like caterpillar and he's like I just have to tell you a quick personal story about the diner.
Christel Bartelse:Okay because, well, I remember being about 18 or 19 and I want to went on a date and this is in Kitchener, ontario, and we used to have, you know, like a 1950s diner, you know when they would put these in, you know small towns, whatever. And I remember going on a date with a guy and it was like the classic milkshake. Like you got that thick milkshake. It came and it was always in this big, large Glass, but then they gave you the extra on the side and almost what looked like a martini shaker, like the milkshake shaker. And I just remember being on this date and I got to the point where I was like halfway through my milkshake so I wanted to add more, but it was so thick that it all just dumped out and went everywhere, like it went all over the glass, all over the table, all over me and I was horrified. So I have some trauma around milkshake dates and diners.
Paul Constable:That's a true. That was a triggering date for you. So you watch, is almost death on the highway. Fine, once the diner, your pulse is just like racing.
Christel Bartelse:It did because he said what he. I think he even asked her. They were talking about milkshakes and then she wanted to split one which. I thought was sweet because you know milkshakes are filling, and she was just like, do you want to split one? But then when they put the two straws in the one glass I was like no, I couldn't do it because I would probably like bonk the guy's head or something you have milkshake trauma.
Paul Constable:If I was your therapist and this was really affecting you, I'd be like you and your husband need to go to a diner and, and just you know, get past this experience.
Christel Bartelse:There we go, there we go. But yeah, the flash mob, it was kind of a cute idea, like I appreciate it, but then again just nobody can see me doing. That's what I'm trying to mimic the dance moves Like it was just their arms and Gary, so sweet, but his little, just little moves.
Paul Constable:I think your moves and it's too bad, people can't see you are actually better because, like no one was in sync, it was just strange there was a flash mob on a cruise I was on back in March which was just cruise people learning to be part of a flash mob, and I think they did a better job than the the higher yeah, but then we, then we get to the, the group date.
Christel Bartelse:So you know, by the way, teresa gets the rose, it's all lovely. We get to the group date and they announce it's gonna be photography and they're gonna take all these photos.
Christel Bartelse:But they announced Franco and Franco yeah and again I just want to say that you know, I remember Franco like he's come. I recall seeing him in several seasons but he's not like a Neil Lane, you know, it's like the second. You say Neil Lane were all on the same page, we all get it, but they're they kind of announced it like here's Franco, like we're supposed to know who that is.
Paul Constable:Mm-hmm, I totally agree. I think and if you notice, I know that they're not taking Franco's actual pictures. I think they're just like freeze-framing camera angles and stuff, but they're. They look really like bad pictures, like we never actually see his final product. I think it's just his personality, which I love and it's fantastic and he's he's very flamboyant, but I'm like how come we never see his pictures? I don't know. It's actually that good of a photographer.
Christel Bartelse:They're not that great. They're not that great. And the other problem with that whole Photography group date is not all the women get the costumes that they want mm-hmm. I almost feel like they should have interviewed the woman and Kind of asked like what would you want to wear? Maybe that's too much, but you know, like you're, you seem like the rock star or you seem like the hippie, because, I agree, a few of those women felt Cheated because they got stuck with an outfit that doesn't truly represent them.
Paul Constable:I totally. I agree. It's the first time. I don't know if I should use this word anymore, but catting this came out. You know, senior cats I guess they'd be like 13 years old and cat ears, but you know. But I think it's interesting to that, no matter what. As a kid I used to always think older people would have it figured out and they would just go oh, you don't treat someone like that, you just do it. But you still see, in this, women that are 60 to 74 Are grabbing stuff, not caring about other people's feelings Getting hurt by it being even a little bit like Passive, aggressive about the whole thing, oh yeah, we did have a life, oh, go ahead.
Christel Bartelse:No, I was gonna say I think, as the episodes continue on, we're gonna see a little more catting us.
Paul Constable:I hope so.
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, I.
Paul Constable:Think it's the first that we had a woman wearing a wedding gown and it depressed her because it reminded her of her own Wedding to her husband, who's no longer with us. Yes, but that was a really nice moment between Gary and her Nancy, and they were on the top of a bunk bed, weren't they like in the? Was that her? No, this was a different woman. That also was.
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, nancy was the one that was crying and got really upset and disclosed how emotional she was. Imagine that's a big thing if you were happily married. It's not like you got divorced or you know, had this terrible breakup or anything. He he passed away and I can imagine whatever. It was 40. I don't know 50 years putting on a wedding dress again. I'm sure that's loaded with emotion. So she was sitting on the park, bet, not the park bench, but yeah.
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, and I think what I liked about that is she was really honest with him, she was feeling she didn't try to hide it, and then I liked that he got emotional as well and they both shared that common bond of having both lost their spouse and Having again to move forward and that maybe potentially there would be another wedding or yeah for sure.
Paul Constable:No, no, exactly the part that I thought Gary really shone, in which I'll go back to your favorite, zach Chalcross.
Christel Bartelse:We can mention him every time.
Paul Constable:Gary seems genuine and and he listens to the women and he empathizes with them, but it feels like they're being heard, whereas I always felt Zach would mimic this behavior but he did it because he wanted people to see how good of a person he was. It just didn't feel like as real as Gary. Gary just looks like a real, genuinely nice person, where Zach's like can't you see how nice I am? That's how it always felt to me and maybe I'm like you know.
Christel Bartelse:That's a great description because even Gary, jumping ahead to the rose ceremony, he does get very emotional. It hurts him to have to send these women home because he knows how much they've put on the line. He's heard their stories. He does really listen. I think, if we can agree on one thing for sure, we've been agreeing on a lot of things tonight, paul. But I think you can agree that Gary just listened. So you know it's with so much attention and he really sees the person and he looks at the person and he hears what they're saying and it's really refreshing to actually see a bachelor who does that.
Paul Constable:And just even on the rose ceremony. I was sort of laughing through the rose ceremony because I thought about our conversation last week, how we kept calling it last chance and I was like that's why it's so emotional. But I'm like it is. This is it, this is. There's not gonna be bachelor in paradise for the seniors, I don't think.
Christel Bartelse:And now I mean, we could only hope that would be epic. We can only hope we don't know, let's not speak too soon. That could be coming down the pipeline, it could be, coming All right, because we're gonna be jumping to VIP soon. Just wanna say what was lovely. Gary got a surprise party. All the women kind of threw him a surprise party when he got back from the whole group date, which was really lovely.
Paul Constable:Yeah, I'm just trying to read my own writing.
Christel Bartelse:And I saw you struggling, I was like come on Paul, help me out.
Paul Constable:No, I just you're on your own. I'm not being a good Gary right now. I'm not listening.
Christel Bartelse:But then they have the cocktail party and again Gary has wonderful conversations. This is again just a small moment of cattyness, because the women all truly wanna get a rose. He has this great moment with Ellen, who he gives one of the photos to from the Franco photography session.
Paul Constable:That's right.
Christel Bartelse:And then, yeah, I mean we already see that Gary's running into a bit of trouble because there's a few women that he's really into, such as I believe he's into Ellen. I think he really came a long way with Nancy. We know he loves what's her name Leslie. And the other one was Faith.
Paul Constable:Faith.
Christel Bartelse:But I just wanna say in the previews it looks like Faith could be going home.
Paul Constable:Faith, no more, I guess, faith no, there we go.
Christel Bartelse:Good one.
Paul Constable:Did you notice that in this one, though, because of the lack of drama, there's no like threat of the rose ceremony ever being canceled, which in charity season it was canceled like every I think it was what two rose ceremonies total, or at least parties before the rose ceremony. It was just like charity is so upset, usually because of your buddy Braden, yeah, and then sorry that sounded very attack on you, but I'm gonna blame you for it and this one it's just like we're gonna have a rose ceremony because there isn't really that much drama. I think there will be. I think that it's like we said last week this will be a very emotional show because everyone's so invested in this.
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, yeah, I think there's a lot more to come. I think they're kind of starting us off slow, really getting us over with Gary. We, like the women, and we all are saying, oh, this is just such a lovely show, this is actually working, cause I think a lot of us were worried about what this would be, and now we're all invested and then I think it's gonna take a dark turn and it's just gonna go haywire.
Paul Constable:It's totally possible. I do like that. It's in 60 minute. Oh so great, Like it just feels like that and even the rose ceremonies don't feel so stretched out Like some of them feel 18 minute long rose ceremonies.
Christel Bartelse:It's good, it's good.
Paul Constable:Before Bachelor of Paradise, I was gonna say to you I started watching this show. I think it's called Special Forces. You may have seen ads for it. Where have you seen this one? No, I have not. So it's like D-list celebrities, maybe even C-list, doing like crazy military training. So Tara Reid is on it, Black Christina Jack Osborne, you know, but two former Bachelor's are on it. Oh, his name just escaped me, Guy with a beard who was the Bachelor himself, who's been on everything. You know who I mean? He was always a runner up in Kaelin season and then-.
Christel Bartelse:Nick.
Paul Constable:Nick, yeah, Nick.
Christel Bartelse:Is he on it? Yeah?
Paul Constable:he's on it, but you know who looks really good? It's Tanner. You know Tanner. Like you'll know, I think he's coming up in Bachelor of Paradise.
Christel Bartelse:I was gonna say Tanner, that's gonna be on Bachelor of Paradise.
Paul Constable:Very Tom Cruise looking like and he did this crazy thing where he had to go across a bridge over this chasm and balance on his two legs and look, and it was not a lot of people could do it, but he did it and he did it confidently and I was like I'm not a woman, but Tanner just took my notice.
Christel Bartelse:Wow, okay, I so much about Tanner. First of all, what's the show called? One more time.
Paul Constable:It's called Special Forces. If you look at Special Forces, it's on like Monday nights on Fox, I think, or something, man, although do I need more reality TV in my life?
Christel Bartelse:I mean always, I mean it's not the same thing.
Paul Constable:But then my son like really got into it and so he was like, can we watch the next episode? And I was like, yes, so it's good, but anyways, Nick's not really hasn't talked much on it because they kind of like have to do with the people that are gonna eventually, you know, ring the bell and quit, but that's it.
Christel Bartelse:We should get on back to back, and I just wanna ask what season was Tanner from? This is what I don't remember.
Paul Constable:I was gonna say Clayton season, but that's. That can't be right at all. No, it's like Rachel. Was he a Rachel and Gabby? Or was he from the athletic, the basketball player, black woman from like two?
Christel Bartelse:seasons. Oh Michelle.
Paul Constable:Yeah, was he the shell season.
Christel Bartelse:I don't know, I can't remember, anyway.
Paul Constable:Anyways they'll. Okay, all right, so on, okay, we're gonna fast forward through Bachelor in Paradise.
Christel Bartelse:Here we go. We have Kylie and Will starting us off. They're the item. We had the whole drama last week of Will falling into the water.
Paul Constable:Yes.
Christel Bartelse:But what we learn is, although Kylie is all over Will and they seem like you know after one day they have a tight connection. We know that Kylie is waiting for Avan. And of course, in true BIP form, avan comes walking down those stairs.
Paul Constable:And she's like well, I'm not gonna say that, I'm gonna say that Totally. And as soon as she sees him, Kylie is literally like Will, who like she's just, she's on him, I guess, like white on rice or whatever you want to say Like she, just no one else exists except this man.
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, immediately she's, she's going for him, and what we think is going to happen, or they create more of this drama, is because Kylie and Olivia have had this riff, so it's a really great thing and they work with Avan and did a great job with the editing, because even does want to talk to Kylie, because they've had this whole DM thing or they've had this one. They haven't actually been chatting story.
Paul Constable:But they've had this whole thing of liking each other's photos. It makes me wonder if this person I know in Oshawa who liked one of my running photos is interested in me. But I also.
Christel Bartelse:I think she plays for the other team, you that no matter who would like a photo like. If I put any photo on and some man liked my photo, the last thing I would think is oh my God, I think they like me.
Paul Constable:So you think all those photos you put up on your OnlyFans test page of you cutting the lawn that I liked are gone to waste? Is that what you're telling me?
Christel Bartelse:100%. I forgot to take those down. Oh my God.
Paul Constable:Only I have the link.
Christel Bartelse:Yes, yes, and now our listeners are going to be searching for that.
Paul Constable:It doesn't exist. The part I like about this is Avan says Will to Will, I'm ready to give your relationship a chance. And then they cut to her praying to God that Avan wants to marry her and I'm like that's not really giving that relationship a chance. There's a lot of hypocritical behavior and that's a patch of paradise. That's why we watch, but why make such a declaration?
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, I know there's so much drama that doesn't need to happen, but, like you said, that's why we have the show. But then Avan ends up choosing Kylie, asks her to go on a date and once again she completely forgets about Will. I don't even think she goes and talks to him about it, I think she just goes.
Paul Constable:She does say she wants she kind of. It's one of those things, you know, they're at their nice little tables under there.
Christel Bartelse:Yeah.
Paul Constable:Stuff. She does kind of say, hey, I'm still open to us, but it's even when she's saying it. You can kind of see. I think in a way it was kind of just a way in case this Avan thing did turn into a complete disaster. She at least knew I went back, I talked to Will, but three seconds in even the fact that Avan couldn't open a champagne bottle and I relate to him because I've been in that situation.
Christel Bartelse:Well, I'm going to say the most shallow thing. I would have been out already then, like just the way he was twisting and not able to open it.
Christel Bartelse:I'm like that would have been the end for me, because, also, what was making me laugh about that is she never stopped talking, like she just kept talking and I just wanted her to be like, hey, hang on. I know, once in a while it can be, it can be tough to get those off, but she could have just said, hey, can I help you? Or let's just focus on that. She wasn't helping him because she was just hammering on, but just the way this guy was trying to open it, he lot like I was over. I was like I'm not interested in Avan anymore.
Paul Constable:You were overboard. You were, yeah, I was overboard. Yeah, I don't know. Should we talk about Braden's rubber ducky earrings at all, or do you?
Christel Bartelse:Well, that is 100% For our listeners. I just got to say I was watching this a little bit before Paul got a chance to watch it and we try not to. You know, we don't text each other and share spoilers or anything like that, but once in a while we might have to have a moment where we have to text the other person and I had to text Paul and say Braden is wearing rubber ducky earrings. Again, that's where he lost me, paul. I can't.
Paul Constable:Yeah, whatever, even my name, I think.
Christel Bartelse:Braden is hot the earrings, yeah, go for it.
Paul Constable:What if he was struggling with a champagne bottle in those rubber ducky earrings?
Christel Bartelse:You could have maybe just shot him. It's just those earrings. Come on, he is a real man, he's young, he's immature, rubber ducky earrings. No, someone needs to speak up. One of the women needed to say something. I blame Kat. Kat needed to say something.
Paul Constable:I want to say I guess it's like if I was to ask you who should be wearing rubber ducky earrings. Is it a 12 or 13 year old young lady? Is that where? And then it stops around there, or why do we have them?
Christel Bartelse:I don't know. And then he actually packed those. Like my favorite moment is like he's ready for bachelor marines. He's like I can't forget my dad keys.
Paul Constable:That's true. Well, it's a look. I know.
Christel Bartelse:I got. This is what. Ok, because I could go on about the earrings for another three hours. So we just need to get because I'm getting filled with rage even thinking about them what I need to address. They have to ask you this If you noticed Sam, who apparently is kind of an item with Aaron, did you notice? She had no airtime.
Paul Constable:Sam gets. The only airtime Sam is going to get is about her constipation eventually.
Christel Bartelse:But like she, wasn't in that, she wasn't. Actually. I kept writing where Sam, because they at least show everyone, even if people don't get that much time, whatever they're having a conversation or going on a date or whatever. She literally was not in the episode. The only time she appeared for half a second was when they around.
Paul Constable:They were around the campfire which will dress up and lay around when, when Peter was like just talking to every woman that was still available and she was part of that group, because she ends up with the other guy, right.
Christel Bartelse:No, she, she ends up. She is with Aaron.
Paul Constable:Aaron, yeah right. Here is Aaron S and Aaron B. Yeah, yeah.
Christel Bartelse:I just, I just had to address that Just bugging me when I was watching it because I was wondering where she was.
Paul Constable:But yeah, and I even googled like where did she come in? So she was on Clayton season. She appeared in a bathtub and then she herself pulled herself out of the first night because she didn't feel any connection to Clayton. And I'm not going to lie to you, that kind of made me like her a little bit.
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, we have to applaud her. We really do. She is, and she's growing on me a lot. I like her. I just again, I'll just say it one more time I didn't know where she was. You just mentioned the other, aaron, who is now. He is kind of connected with no Eliza Eliza, but I do believe he kissed Mercedes.
Paul Constable:He did. And then he I mean we don't know when, the how long these conversations go on, for it sounds like he and Eliza had been talking all afternoon and then he finally goes. Hey, by the way, I kissed Mercedes last night. I don't know when there's a good time, but I don't think Aaron's timing was the best, right, but at the same time, when do you?
Christel Bartelse:But once again, early days, early days, this is what we expect. You kiss someone on night one because you have a brief moment of connection. Then the next day someone else comes down the stairs, you have a conversation. You realize, oh my God, we connect more. And then you start going. I'm like that is what it is and I know this is the show, but it drives me crazy. They all get so mad that people are exploring.
Christel Bartelse:The whole point is to explore the relationships, and as soon as someone strays after having a conversation with someone, they all freak out.
Paul Constable:It's like going to a pizza shop and being like I didn't know there was going to be pizza here. I'm really surprised.
Christel Bartelse:Right, or I'd like the pepperoni. And then, just as the guy is like getting it out for you, the cheese pizza comes out. You're like, actually I'll have that one.
Paul Constable:And that guy slips out.
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, he does, yeah, but he doesn't hurl the pepperoni slice at you.
Paul Constable:He should. He should Remember there was that pizza guy from the athletic woman, vinnie.
Christel Bartelse:Or Vince or Vinnie the pizza guy, and he was, yeah, he was, he was troubled. Ok, now I just want to go to Hannah Brown, arriving.
Paul Constable:I have a lot of questions about Hannah for you, but we may OK.
Christel Bartelse:No, I want to hear them just for me, because I try to stay up on the bachelor gossip. I knew that Hannah was engaged. I'm just saying I know Hannah is engaged. I popped up on many I don't know platforms for me. I saw she was engaged. So when she did come down those stairs there was a brief moment of confusion of why is she here. But what also surprises me is that I just feel Paul like bachelor nation. They all know each other, they all know the gossip and it also just surprised me because I would think that most people knew she was in a relationship. Yeah, it was just kind of weird of how they said that.
Paul Constable:What I thought was weird that Jesse Palmer was acting surprised to see her, and all I could ask is how little does he need to know in order to do his job? Like I know that he knew that she was coming down, but the fact that they even like, if this is real, and he's like I didn't even know it was going to be you next, I'm like, well then, what do we need you for? Just put a tree with writing on it that they can read themselves.
Christel Bartelse:I know, see, he doesn't do anything. We can just address that right now he does nothing.
Paul Constable:Yeah, he just kind of sometimes sweats.
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, he sweats a lot, which is understandable because it's very hot there, but he doesn't do it. He doesn't do it. He greets someone sometimes and then we don't see him again. But I just want to say, with this whole Hannah Brown thing, everyone was calling her bachelor royalty and putting her really high up. But this bonfire thing I want to just talk about that. That was just a terrible idea.
Paul Constable:Yeah, before we get to the bonfire, I do want to ask you about impressions of Hannah. I didn't really see much of her season. Isn't she the one who had the famous windmill incident, though, or is that?
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, with Peter, which is ironic because she'd had that with Pilot Pete, which is why it's very confusing that this Pete on Bachelor in Paradise is also called Pilot Pete. Right Because the other guy was also a pilot and they did call him Pilot Pete, but yeah, she's the one that had numerous sexual escapades with the same guy in the windmill.
Paul Constable:Well, that's OK, he is a pilot. I don't know what that means. Do you consider her, though, like, as they were going on going like she's the greatest bachelorette that ever lived, or hers was the best season? I just want to know what your thoughts were on that. If you were like, oh yeah, hannah's season was a great season, I kind of thought she was, I don't know.
Christel Bartelse:Well, I do like her. I like her personality a lot. I think she's super bubbly. I do think she's really cute. I like her personality. I just said that, but I'm gonna say it again because I like it so much.
Christel Bartelse:But she had the season where she ended up with, I want to say his name was Jared and he was the one that had the girlfriend back home, oh yeah. But but I just want to say the comment is she also she could choose between Jared or Tyler Cameron. He was really bad. Exceptually handsome guy. I mean, I'm just he's ridiculous. He's just Really really good-looking. And so I think we all felt left like let down when she chose Jared and then she had this whole thing because she broke off the engagement because he had a girlfriend, and then she tried to rekindle it with Tyler, like she's just had a lot of drama around her and she's got a very high Profile and you know popular profile and social media. I don't. I don't know why they all thought she was such a big deal. I think Becca Cuff, friend, or whatever, is as higher up there. I think there's some better people to represent the, the bachelor royalty.
Paul Constable:They may have been coached. I just, I just the fact that you told me that there's a guy named Jared who is engaged but had a girlfriend and I don't have anything, just really depressed me for like those 30 seconds.
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, maybe I got his name wrong, but yeah, it was a weird story.
Paul Constable:It's a good story, Okay so.
Christel Bartelse:She is engaged. She is engaged, got engaged.
Paul Constable:Get married on the beach. That's why I think it's gonna get married.
Christel Bartelse:Oh, she's gonna be the one okay, okay, well, well, yeah, I will remember. You said that I don't think it's her right now, but I like your prediction. That's a good one. Okay, here's what I want to say about the bonfire. Okay, so Hannah goes around and asks really honest questions Of everyone. She goes around and really puts them on the spot. It's almost like we're playing truth or dare in a way, without the dare. Yeah for sure. Here's the thing. Just be honest with me, paul. If you were in that situation, would you be that honest?
Paul Constable:Well, this is my own silly story of reality television. There was this show years ago I think was called punch-up and the idea was the people on the show were gonna punch up people's lives. So if you were a teacher, we'd come in and make your class more interesting. And I tried out to be one of these punch-up people. But I realized in the audition they wanted me to like talk crap about the other people and I knew like three or four of them and I just couldn't like.
Paul Constable:It'd be like Tell me what you don't like about crystal. And I'd be like I, if there was, you know what I mean. I'd be like I can't tell me Paul, tell me you, your only fans doesn't exist. That's the only thing. It's a tease. Okay, it's a tease and yeah, we should have our own truth bonfire when it's well, I could do it in the winter. But no, every question was leading. It was like who's the? Who's the most evil person here? I'm, you know, and you're like well, I don't know, you know what I mean. Like, maybe no one, but yeah, they were. Or it was stuff like who would I know? You're with so-and-so, but if you wanted to be with someone else, who would it be?
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, I just feel like again because it's early days, so I was kind of I don't know hooked up with Will, but I still really was hoping to explore Brayden, but he was also with somebody else. I just don't feel in that moment I feel it necessary to be like well, I'm with Will, but I can't wait to explore Brayden. Like that, that's gonna take care of itself.
Paul Constable:Yeah, I even wrote down. They should ask for legal representation next time they do like and just be like. My client refuses to answer that question based on, you know, self-incrimination.
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, it was just awkward I felt and then you know, obviously it caused a lot of tension between certain people. I did like the moment of how Pat admitted that she wasn't sure if she was, you know, fully into Brayden Right and that. So then there's something weird going on there because he was really upset and hurt. But then later you know, he was really sucking up to her and stuff and I felt like he was playing her.
Paul Constable:Yeah, he's. I think he's got trouble coming next this week coming up. Yeah like Brayden's own life is gonna come crashing down. At one point, sean, who we call, you know, ken and Barbie Sean was sort of the voice of reason and I don't. I think it was just him saying this truth circle is is going poorly and I don't remember what he was saying, but I was like when I'm agreeing with him, something's really right, yeah, exactly.
Christel Bartelse:But I guess we all know that stuff is gonna happen because of the previews and what we hear, because I'm still waiting for this moment. We're Rachel and Brayden hookup.
Paul Constable:Yeah, you and me both.
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, and how that happens. But we also know there's lots of people still coming down those steps. So who knows?
Paul Constable:the part that I want to get to now is we got will To have a talk with Kylie. It doesn't go well. She tells him about even, and he gets very, very upset that he's Alone. And this is where I would like say my own experience is you have to live in the moment. He's on bachelor in paradise. He has the power. That week he has the rose. There are other women there that are desperate to get that rose. So I'm not saying take advantage of it in a malicious way, but I'm like take advantage of it, go out, talk to the women that are still there. They're all very attractive, you know, and just. But he's so like it's over, it's over, everything's over, and I'm like you've been through this like five times already on this show.
Christel Bartelse:Totally, and we also have to remember that at this point it's 48 hours or something like that.
Paul Constable:No, I know, it is so weird. I even forgot like we're recording this on the Tuesday after Thanksgiving Monday and today in the elevator I saw someone. They asked me like how the weekend was and I thought like it was like five days ago but it was only yesterday. So yeah, that has happened to him in in less than two sleeps.
Christel Bartelse:Oh, totally, but but still just ridiculous that he sees his whole future crumble in front of him just because Kylie goes off with a even and then and then oh sorry, is this what you wanted to get to?
Paul Constable:But Marshaven's in and says you know, I'm interested in you. And he says my grandma's name is Marshaven and I'm like that. My grandma's were Eileen and Marjorie and I'm sorry, I just can't. And my mother's a bonnie and I mean you have to. There have to be something really spectacular about you for me to be like I want. I can't even do it, I can't even put those, I can't put this thought together.
Christel Bartelse:But don't you think the future generation is gonna have names like this, like it is gonna be?
Paul Constable:But it's when it's related to you. I mean. That being said, I mean my, the mother of my child's dad's name is Paul, so I mean I guess people get past it, but yeah.
Christel Bartelse:You're saying more the fact that his grandma has the same name as this chicken with a bae.
Paul Constable:Yeah, like it's like it just puts your, it puts my grandma in my head. I'm just weird.
Christel Bartelse:I was just more blown away that his grandma's name that's what I thought the point of making his grandfathers' names were to say these like that probably wasn't.
Paul Constable:It should probably a 50 or 60, you know 1950s, I don't know.
Christel Bartelse:I just thought that's a really hip grandma.
Paul Constable:Yeah, good for her.
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, it is weird. It's not the first thing you want to hear, like I can't imagine hooking up with some hot man, and then you know, and then, yeah, he says the same thing. Like it is weird. It is weird, like if he says, like grandma's name is Crystal. Yeah, yeah, I just think I'd be like all right, it's weird.
Paul Constable:Yeah, you do a little head pat or the back pat, hug. That's just like I need you to know. We're only going to be friends.
Christel Bartelse:But do you think Mercedes is loyal or do you think she was doing all this to get the road?
Paul Constable:I just wrote she's laughing because she knows she's going to get a rose and she's going to move on and like she just wants to get to the next round, I think.
Christel Bartelse:I feel that too. I mean there's something that's somewhat genuine about it, like she is sweet, but it's like we never heard her mention Will before. Yeah, it was kind of weird, but we're going to see what happens. And then we're going to go into Peter, because Peter is sort of the odd man out. He's the one with the most power at this point, because everyone else kind of knows, for the most part, a lot of these men wear their roses going to, and then Peter's, even though I don't like the guy at all, I don't really find him. Again, this is not why I don't like him, but I don't find him attractive.
Christel Bartelse:I find him kind of odd. He's cocky, he just rubs me the wrong way. But he does have the power because there's, I think, for women. We have Greer and we have Brooklyn and we have Kat and we have Olivia. I think they're the four women that are desperate for rose. They're not in any kind of partnership. So he's kind of playing them all, though as well. He's telling all of them that they're beautiful. He's kind of leading them all on.
Paul Constable:Yo, 100%, the only because we've agreed so much. So I feel like I'm only going to disagree with you on one thing I do think he is an attractive man. You know what I mean. Like I always think in a bar, people probably like women, probably turn and approach.
Christel Bartelse:Okay, so let me correct. I'm not saying he's not an attractive man. I guess I just would always clarify that is so not my type. And like Sean, he's too perfect and put together.
Paul Constable:Right, yeah, but you have to remember you had pre-Braydon rubber ducky earrings and post-Braydon rubber ducky.
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, but Braydon is still way more of my style.
Paul Constable:That's fair. That's totally fair. He's probably more of my style too, if I had to hang out with someone.
Christel Bartelse:At least he's got some originality and something a little bit mysterious.
Paul Constable:No, nothing tells you like more about a person when they're a sore winner and a sore loser, because he's just an obnoxious winner because he knows they all want him and the only kind of real macho confrontation was him going after the other, aaron, who I think is equally as weird.
Christel Bartelse:Oh yeah, I don't like that guy or trust him either. I think he and I think Braydon and Aaron were really good friends on charity season, but I don't like him either, and he's too protective of Sam and I do question what Sam sees in him.
Paul Constable:I think Sam just sees. How do I get to the next round myself? We don't see much of Sam. Even when Peter was like making the moves on Sam, you could kind of tell she was like uh-huh, yeah, okay, I think I kind of I wish we'd found out more about her, just because she's seen. But she's probably too put together for the show, which doesn't really lead to drama. Right, like cause you just like nah.
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, but she's mature. I don't think she's gonna last that long, cause I think she might even walk away from this too and just go. You know I don't need this in my life, like these guys are all immature.
Paul Constable:I guess it's ironic that she doesn't go on Clayton season, so we don't know anything about her. So she's probably like good for me, like I've kept my own dignity. Sure, we're gonna only know her as poopoo baby lady.
Christel Bartelse:Yes, okay, I can't wait. I like what is gonna happen, like how humiliating and weird. And then we have this clip I'm jumping to the preview of Aaron. Looks like he's almost throwing against a rock.
Paul Constable:Yeah, I don't there's. It seems like there's gonna be a lot of time spent on Sam's inability to poop.
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, yeah, okay, we got, we got, we got.
Paul Constable:We got sure that's gonna work out All right.
Christel Bartelse:So we have this rose ceremony. So just to recap, I will tell one personal story.
Paul Constable:There was a woman once that I thought I was kind of interested in and she started telling me about her hemorrhoids. And I thought when a woman brings up hemorrhoids, you know, the friendship card is very much on the table.
Christel Bartelse:Why? Why would you do?
Paul Constable:and this is on the first date- it was kind of like a well, it wasn't a date, but it was like we were both single parents. It was a play date for the kids and I had made lunch and while we were eating I remember it was a salad and then she started with hemorrhoids.
Christel Bartelse:Okay, I've already like I'm the most squeamish person and also I cannot hear anyone's disgusting story when they're eating. So already I would have just been like get out of my house right now. Why are you sharing this when I've just made you a salad?
Paul Constable:Yeah, no, I know Well, I had the exact same thought.
Christel Bartelse:Oh yeah. Okay, that's, there's everything wrong. Okay, I was just gonna recap and now I almost have to wrap this up because I feel ill.
Christel Bartelse:Okay, recapping the couples that we have at the Rose Ceremony we have Brayden and Kat. Blake gives it to Jess, Aaron B to Eliza. We have Will and Mercedes now coupled up. We have Sean and Rachel, Avan and Kylie, Aaron S and Sam. And our final Rose is from Peter, and he has the choice to choose between Greer, Pat, Brooklyn or Olivia, and he goes to Olivia. So for Greer, Brooklyn and Kat are going home.
Paul Constable:I feel like that Olivia was kept around by the producers. I feel like the producers were in on that and they were like listen, if you don't really have a favorite, keep her around so we can keep the problem going. I don't think Peter really cares, to be honest, unless maybe someone else comes down those stairs and we see a different type of Peter where he's like ooh, but I guess it's. I think it's more men are coming in now, right Cause more men have to be on the shopping block.
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, yeah, I think a bunch of men will come in for sure. But I also just want to say the moment that Peter gave Olivia the rose, we saw that she was not into it at all. Like that's not going to last.
Paul Constable:What I find, yeah, no, no, no, not at all. I'm not. Maybe it will and hopefully five years from now we'll be like we were wrong. I don't think so. I feel for Greer out of all of them, because she really seems like a genuinely nice person and more awkward than you would like, than face value, cause she fits this so-called bachelor you know mold quite well. Very attractive, lovely woman, but I think she's kind of a little bit goofy and when she leaves and she's like oh my God, I came here looking for love and I just couldn't find it and I was like, look around at the boys they brought you, like there's any of them being her type or her, like getting really excited about it?
Christel Bartelse:So-, Well, I just also feel bad for her, just because she had a bad journey, like she got screwed over in Zach season, because she got COVID, I think, and all that Like she just hasn't had much luck and then she comes to bachelor and then this happens. But I think she'll be okay in her life.
Paul Constable:It's the only time ever in this history of the show that I actually wanted to get on Instagram and like just right on her page. You know, I'm still team Greer or something's really silly like that, you know, cause I was just like. I just like her. I think she's a-.
Christel Bartelse:Hey well, you gotta slip into her DMs.
Paul Constable:Absolutely well, it was DMs, you never know. And Kat, this is what I wrote Greer is too awkward for the show. Kat, it probably is her that drives men away. You know what I mean? Yeah, and then Brooklyn. I just thought can't Brooklyn just go to a rodeo and find someone that like Exactly, it's like. I feel like those men are out there and they're probably out there where Brooklyn lives.
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, 100%. She'll also be fine with time, but all right, well, we did it.
Paul Constable:We did do it and I think that's me. I guess, if we're gonna call it something, it's just it's not shits going down, it's shits not going down.
Christel Bartelse:Yeah, we gotta see what this is all about. I mean, if this episode is gonna focus only on that, I might have the same thing that I just had with your salad story might have to cut out.
Paul Constable:Now are you watching on Thursday night Like do you think-.
Christel Bartelse:I think I'm gonna go live with it, yeah.
Paul Constable:I should go live and I feel like we should be texting each other, because this is the one where we can't spoil it.
Christel Bartelse:We could be on the same page and hopefully neither of us have constipation, because you know like that would just be awkward.
Paul Constable:You know there's a fiber. I can send you a recommendation, my friend. Exactly, you mix it in water and you drink that stuff and you were pregnant for a while.
Christel Bartelse:I should be good, you should be good, okay, thank you, listeners. As always, stay tuned for the next one.
Paul Constable:Drive safe.
Christel Bartelse:Leave me hanging again. Paul, Wrap it up.
Paul Constable:Everyone drive safe. Check your headlights before going on the LA Freeway.
Christel Bartelse:And don't bother doing your hair.
Paul Constable:That's fair. Good night.